Saying “Telegram works best” is a bad bad joke
literally no one said that.
it works so good for old fashioned irc users that they have to block ~90 people because some of these smartphone morons using telegram know how abuse the fact that they as individuals are unblockable for irc users.
You keep saying that there were people abusing the integration yet continue to ignore my requests for examples of such abuse. How do you expect a mod to moderate if you don’t backup your claims of abuse?
So, another reply by the guy who runs T8. Any other statements from the Antergos team members?
If our replies are not good enough for you then that’s fine. I wont bother replying anymore. Have a nice day.
maybe you should bridge even more chat standards to irc to make the chaos complete and utterly unmoderable, IRC is not telegram, telegram is not irc. Want the smartphonie kids in telegram, make a telegram group, but leave it out if other incompatible chat platforms.
You don’t like the integration. That’s fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your opinion though does not trump the opinions of everyone else.
By the way, I have never seen MichaelTunell moderate anything, neither from T8 nor from IRC
I’ve been moderator of the IRC channel for 3 years so I’ve done plenty, it doesn’t matter if you see it or not. Besides, I already asked you to give me names and logs for the things you claimed but you still have yet to do so. That’s on you.
but it was interresting today to see him struggling with his 3 ways to acces IRC simultaneously.
Do you just never pay attention? I was not struggling in any way because I wasn’t setting up anything nor trying to figure out anything. I was teaching someone else how the system and protocol of Matrix works. I setup the integration with Matrix over 3 weeks ago and you seem to have not even noticed because today you complained about it happening. Quick reminder, you already complained about this integration with Matrix on the day I did it. I explained to you on that day, that the intregation with Matrix is very different. It seems, you didn’t pay attention.
Have fun attracting new users/catering antergos support in your unattractive troll filled unmoderated/unmoderable IRC/Telegram/Matrix chaos chat mix…
It is moderable and we do moderate it. Feel free to say the Telegram thing is an issue if you want to because there is validity to that but the Matrix integration is absolutely 100% not an issue.
Id like to read a statement on this so called improvement by adding matrix from someone else from the Antergos team than only from the guy who runs the T8 bridge and the one who doesn’t do his mod job.
I’ve already explained it to you on multiple occasions (including the day I did it) and it was explained again by someone else in the IRC channel today. By the way, I don’t run the Telegram Bot, so there you go yet again making declarative statements based on lacking information.
I have never seen MichaelTunell moderate anything, neither from T8 nor from IRC
I believe you when you say you haven’t seen it, because that’s what happens when you don’t pay attention.
Your refusal to remove T8 tells me you declare the problem as solved by adding more communication channels and by bocking T8.
Q: If I were to remove T8 what would happen?
A: You would not see any messages or stickers from the Telegram group.
Q: If you were to block T8 yourself what would happen?
A: You would not see any messages or stickers from the Telegram group.
Your insistence that it has to be removed in order to be solved is unacceptable to me.
Your refusal to remove T8 tells me you declare the problem as solved
Your insistence to declare something on my behalf is also unacceptable to me. I have no interest in removing the Telegram integration but I do not “declare the problem as solved”. I said it was not solved but that your suggestion of removable of the bot is not a reasonable solution to me.
Mixing different communication standards/systems and not seeing/ simply ignoring the incompatibilities and problems that arise from such mixings is a really bad thing.
It’s problematic but I consider the addition of 90+ users via the Telegram group to be an positive vs them not using the channel at all.
Concerning your statement about Matrix/Riot, your complaint towards Matrix/Riot is pointless because those issues do not exist at all with Matrix/Riot and thus the complaint is irrelevant in regards to that integration. You do not understand how Matrix<->IRC works and that’s fine but making a declarative statement based on your lack of understanding is problematic.
We can’t please everyone, and it shows. I’m all for sticking with the system that appeals to most people, and that system happens to be Telegram.
That’s certainly the case in this sutation. I am in favor of the bridge of all 3, IRC<->Matrix<bot>Telegram.
For the people who do not want the Telegram Bot to bother them, then feel free to block the bot, for now. If a better solution arises then we will try to implement it.
Do you guys have an idea what to do about this, as these people very often make the irc channel unusable.
I disagree that these people are making the channel “unusable”. With that said, to answer your question. No, it is not possible to block individual Telegram users in IRC because there isn’t a true bridge for Telegram. There is only a bot relay type bridge at the moment. If someone were to create such a bridge we would certainly consider using it but at the moment it doesn’t exist.
None of the options, I can think of, to solve this issue are really good . . .
- Disable Telegram Integration entirely (not reasonable in my opinion)
- IRC users can block T8 completely (might miss some of the conversation, so not ideal)
- Use Telegram instead of IRC (not reasonable for sure)
I don’t really have a suggestion for this issue at the moment.
Harassment on the other hand is a totally different thing and if that is happening it will be treated just like IRC would in warnings then removals of the users.
I think you have to decide if you want an antergos irc chat or an antergos telegram group. Mixing these platforms makes no sense at all, as the smatrphonies constantly paste stickers that appear as spam to me. IRC is no smartphone chat compatible platform.
I disagree in every facet of that statement. We can have both. You dont want to see stickers or comments from Telegram? Then block the bot that shows them. The bot doesn’t do anything other that the Telegram intergration so you wont lose out on the IRC portions of the channel.
IRC does support smartphones, there are many clients for it.
Some days ago the only topic for hours was “which smartphone is the right one for whatever purpose.” If I wanted to discuss smartphones with smartphone users, I’d get a smartphone and join an appropriate dicussion platform for such topics.
The Antergos IRC channel is not exclusive to Antergos. It is also a community channel for all discussions, provided they do not interfere with Antergos support questions.
Antergos IRC in its corrent “telegram” form is a nonsence.
How is it nonsense exactly? Please clarify.
Telegram needs a sticker and nonsense Terminator.
Block the T8 bot on your end and you have terminated the stickers and everything else. Problem solved.
Turn the channel back toward Antergos users.
Block the bot, problem solved.
In fact I find it quite useful to browse the channel while I’m at work and especially being able to catch up with any overnight conversations. Why don’t we just come to a compromise and make it so stickers are not able to be sent to the telegram group? That’s assuming such a setting is possible.
I agree with the statement about reading the backlog on a different device. That is very nice.
Regarding the sticker blocking, that’s not possible via Telegram. Though people who dont like stickers or Telegram in general can block the bot. :)
Stickers aside, the channels’s content has nothing to do with Antergos.
During my last 210 min session only 7 min were dedicated to Linux-related question - how to adjust TIMEOUT parameter in Grub.
The Antergos IRC channel is NOT exclusive to Antergos. If there aren’t questions about Antergos then people can talk about whatever they want. We are not interested in forbidding people from discussing other topics.
The rest was a hunt from a bunch of T8-ters for @Jeannie____
For situations like that, contacting a Mod is the best approach and we will correct the situation. Pinging me in the channel, emailing me, or whatever way someone wants to contact me is fine and I will address it.
All mods in that awful IRC session were T8-ters.
What? Yes, IRC Mods are also Telegram Mods so we can moderate both sides. What are you implying with your statement? Are you suggesting that the mods were participating in a “hunt”.
No human moderation possible on telegram? like kick off would be anough.
Yes. IRC Mods are also Telegram Mods so moderation actions can be taken upon all users when needed including kicking people out of the Telegram group.
Why not Matrix / Riot instead of Telegram? It can also bridged to IRC (it is already) and a Matrix user can be blocked from IRC.
We dont need to do “instead of”, I prefer “in addition to”. :)
Matrix is pretty awesome though.
I had to block the telegram/irc bridge T8 to get rid of some people over there who troll me massively.
This is the only option to block annoyances but in terms of harassment. Give me names and preferably logs, or timestamps, for when this happened and I will address it.
as @lots-0-logs said, this is a very old thread and is no longer relevant as it has been decided via the IRC + Telegram bridge.
However, the comment @BuZZ-dEE made regarding the Matrix room is interesting. In fact, Matrix is even cooler than that because while doing research I found that Matrix already has a Freenode bridge so the IRC channel is already integrated with Matrix.
Because of this bridge there is no need for a separate Matrix room for Antergos because this Freenode bridge syncs it all together . . . so Antergos chat now includes IRC, Telegram, and Matrix all in one chat. :)