Installing Antergos has been a pain lately, we all can’t deny that.
When installs don’t work or stall or whatever, I understand you can be frustrated and even angry about it. The next step is to go to the forum and ask for a solution, that’s the best thing to do. Though I do understand your frustration, just take a breathe and realize that:
A) You didn’t have to pay 139,- EURO to get Antergos on your hardware.
B) You didn’t have to buy a 1300,- EURO machine to get an Antergos license.
Antergos is made and maintained by people who like doing this, without a business model. It’s purely based on enthusiasm and the love of it from three persons.
Of course you can have ideas and suggestions to make Antergos better, but suggesting is a different thing than demanding. So take a breathe and realize this before submitting a strong opinion when things go wrong, after all we’re all using this distro that was made with the devs vision.
There are a lot of examples of Linux projects that ceased to exist because of this sort of behaviour, the most recent example is AURMAN.
I know that a lot of you treat the devs with respect, but I see regularly that people post strong opinions based on frustration.
So count to ten, take a breathe and search on the forum first, instead of blindly submitting, you’re most likely not the only one that has this problem, that’s the plus side of having a forum.
For a solution to the current problem just click over here. Karasu is working on it and apoligised for the inconvenience, he also gave us a temporarily solution.
Since the sad, but understandable anouncement earlier this week, I like most of you, was a bit emotional about it. Antergos gave me a very sturdy learning experience with Linux that still goes on this day.
Beside the great work the devs gave me, it was this friendly and great community that made distrohopping a thing of the past for me. Thanks to you I’ve discovered that Linux is so much more than a DE and an underlying distro.
So why break up this great thing we have going on right here?
After my question on the forum, I noticed (not surprisingly) that the love for Antergos, but foremost the community didn’t die.
So I’ve teamed up with the following moderators to brainstorm about the future of this community: @anarch , @fernandomaroto , @joekamprad , @manuel , @Keegan and in addition @luke_d .
These are all members who gave all, in their own way, an invaluable input to the community. We’ve talked to Karasu and he gave us the permission to use the Antergos code, but not the name. Antergos was their project and having carry on the name would indicate that they are somehow still affiliated with the project. This also gives us the freedom to start from scratch, instead of cloning Antergos.
We are proud to anounce our project, code name Endeavour!
This is going to be a distro with you, the community in mind.
The first stage is to move the community to another forum, since this one is going to be offline within three months.
The plan for this forum is to make an environment that is inviting and friendly, by designing the main page to have a section that covers Linux and tech related news and a section with current threads, ofcourse there will also be a link that directs you directly to the forum with the same feel that you’re used to. In a later stage we also want to launch a Youtube channel with vlogs.
For the distro itself the plan is to make a distro that is as close and clean to Arch, as you are used to, with the creature comforts of Antergos.
This distro will contain an offline installer, that @fernandomaroto already has developed under the name Portergos with some alterations and it will also contain an online installer that is derived from Cnchi. For this we teamed up with Reborn’s main developer @Keegan , since Reborn has a different starting point as a distro and its own community with their specific needs, the two projects won’t intervene, but now makes use of two developerteams to maintain and improve the installer. It also makes sense that two distro’s that have their roots in Antergos are collaborating.
Earlier I’ve mentioned that the AnthOS devs would join in, but their project is already in an advanced state, with a different philosophy, so we would hold them back.
Like I’ve said earlier this distro, code name Endeavour, is all about you, so input and collaboration is key here.
The team I’ve presented is the core team of this operation, but for the next stages we value your cooperation. If you like this concept and would like to join or pitch in, you’re more than welcome, so if you know coding, or you want to help by maintaining the news and article feed as a blogger or vlogger, please let us know. Ofcourse enthusiasm and helping out other users on the forum is also the most important way to contribute. Donations will be an option for the next stage.
I really hope you’re as enthusiastic as we are in maintaining the Antergos legacy and this wonderful community.
So as a first step in the collaboration, we ask you to submit a new name for this distro. You can submit untill next Thurday and then we’re going to vote between the best four or five names. Let your imagination go wild and think of a name that suits the vibe of this community……
The past week we’ve read a lot of encouraging posts about our project, the Endeavour project was, already making soundwaves through the community and beyond.
It must come to no surprise to you that the start of this project isn’t an easy ride, in fact your enthusiasm for us is heartwarming and daunting at the same time.
Are we going to deliver on the high expectations, is the community really going to follow us to our destiny, which serverprovider are we going to choose, is it wise to stick with Cnchi even if it has a bad reputation and how are we going to solve certain errorcodes?
These and many, many more questions haunted and taunted us the past week. (and from my perspective, it felt like six months)
Despite the occasionally light panic attacks, the overal feeling of being on the right track with this one prevails. And hey, even James Cook with his crew and the big heads at NASA must’ve had some moments of doubts on their Endeavour.
With all this in mind, we are proud to present you:
I can feel and hear that the large part of you are scratching their heads right now and shouting at your screens: What the **** Bryan?!?!
Trust me, this wasn’t a fixed plan from the beginning, but since the name already gave us your trust and we’ve read a lot of remarks that you actually liked the name, why not adopting it?
Either you’re thinking of a community that’s going to move further to a new environment or a new user that puts their first steps in Arch waters, Endeavour is the word that covers it all. So that’s why we decided to stick with it.
Basicly we are going to continue the road Antergos already has been taken so:
The K.I.S.S. principle (Keep It Simple Stupid)
A graphical online installer with 10 desktop environments to choose from with an uncomplicated repo, making the experience as close to Arch.
RebornOS installer – This new installer derived from Cnchi has hit a milestone in the development stage and will soon be available for testing. The first Endeavour release will be shipping the current Cnchi installer, untill the RebornOS installer has reached golden status.
Ofcourse we’re not going to clone Antergos, so these will be the differences:
- XFCE will be our live environment, since we offer users the most common DE’s, this environment’s sole purpose is to give an impression what the aspiring user can expect and for the existing users to troubleshoot in a simple and straightforward fashion.
Choosing XFCE gives us, the team, the freedom to combine Endeavour with our regular lifes.
We are going to offer two types of ISO:
Developer edition – will be our testing ISO with the online Cnchi installer, for people who are interested in what we are planning in the next release and like to toy around with it on a VM or extra machine.
Stable edition – will be our official release ISO and will contain the online Cnchi installer with 10 DE’s to choose from and an offline installer that installs XFCE with some basic apps preinstalled, ready to go.
With the offline installer we try to cater to the wishes of users with an unstable internetconnection and also having a fallback solution, in case the online installer has problems getting certain packages from the repo’s.
ISO releases – Our releases will carry names, so here kicks in your efforts. We selected a selection of names you’ve provided us, that we think are fit to be the name of our first release. So you can start voting soon.
Website and forum
This will be a complete new site and forum with a new design, therefore existing Antergos users will have to subscribe to the forum.
The Antergos wiki is going to move with us, so there’s no loss of data. (thanks to @karasu )
Social media will be focused on open source equivalants like Mastodon and Telegram.
Twitter – We still have under consideration, since not everybody has Mastodon and we’re going to use Social media also to notify in case of server failure.
Do you have a photo or wallpaper art you like to share, that has no copyright, no nudity and no offensive language and graphics? We are interested! By next week we will provide you with a place to submit it to us and who knows, maybe your masterpiece wiil be in our wallpapersection.
We hope you will join us on our new path in this already wonderful journey and fix this in your agenda:
EndeavourOS is going to launch on 1 July 2019
You’re more than welcome to join the party.
You can also follow us on Telegram
Antergos for me is a very user friendly way to get an almost pure Arch install. It brought me a lot of Linux knowledge in an environment that really suits me. The friendly vibe on the forum is a large part that kept me driven and invest time in the distro.
Lately I’ve noticed that my enthusiasm for Antergos is fading, I must also admit that personally, I’m not completely mentally fit, but that isn’t the main reason for my declining enthusiasm.
Recently the main problems new users over here encounter, has to do with the core development of this distro. In previous years the devs visited the forum frequently and shed some light on the problem and even gave us an insight of what was in the pipeline. That is something the devs don’t do anymore and I think it’s a pity for this wonderful project.
This forum has some excellent moderators and regular members who invest their time on this forum almost religiously. It’s such a shame that the @developers don’t include them in their plans or even give them an insight that future releases will tackle a problem.
As an avid visitor and moderator of this forum, I really can’t bring it up to “defend” this distro anymore. So I’ve decided to take a time out from Antergos.
I still think Antergos is a great distro and it will remain my daily driver, you just won’t see me on the forum for a while.
Despite my bit sour message, I encourage everybody to keep up the positive vibe on this wonderful forum and thank you for the great knowledge and great responses you all gave me.
I’m sure you’ll see me later,
I’ve already said my thanks in another thread, but I have a question to the community: Why break up a great community and start a new forum, with the same support we’ve been giving each other these last years?
There are members like @manuel, @joekamprad and @fernandomaroto who already supplied us with repo’s and installers, so gradually we can make an installer in the future (my Python course is in an advanced level, so I’m hoping to contribute on that part soon), but in the meantime keep this great community.
If there’s enough interest for this, I am willing to make this happen in sorts of making the forum and find a affordable way to host this.
The buzz around this project has reached more communitymembers every day and even outside on a couple of Youtube channels. Your enthusiastic reactions gives us more energy and fuel to our, already, big dedication on the project.
Today is the last day to submit a name for the project, so if you’re imagination and creativity is still running wild on this, please let us know!!! We have received already a great deal of names, some serious, some a bit goofy and some completely hilarious. It’s nice to see that we are still this great loving community packed full of energy and ready to show the Linux world that the Antergos legacy isn’t going away, despite the news.
To satisfy your daily dose of Endeavour feeds, we are proud to anounce that:
Friday the 31st of Mai we are going to reveal our official anouncement about the Endeavour project.
So keep your eyes on the forum or the Antergos digest in your mailbox…
I’ve asked this question in an existing thread, but to make it more efficient i’m going to ask you again in a seperate thread.
I’m seriously thinking of keeping the Antergos legacy alive, as a distro, but more importantly to keep the community alive. We all build a very friendly and helpful environment through the years, so it would be a waste to break up this wonderful work we all have achieved.
Before I invest my time and money in this idea, I have the important question to all of you.
Are you interested in a project like this, the first goal is to transfer the community to another forum and the second goal is to keep the Antergos legacy alive.
I’ve already had some members answering me who are willing to help out and really any help is welcome, but that’s for the next stage.
Do you like this idea or would you rather join another distro? (Again this is not a concious question, I’m really looking into this, so I need the feedback)
Antergos never broke over here on itself, only when I was tinkering and experimenting on it, which I sometimes do on my private laptop. It really depends on what you’re going to do with the OS, if you just use it for average use, there will be no major problems. If there is a problem, just ask over here and there’s always someone who can help you out. I’ve got a small company and I use Antergos for it without any breakage or inconvenience.
We are still going strong with the preparations of this project and we’re hoping to bring you guys a more clear picture on what we’re doing by the end of the week.
As you can imagine an operation like this doesn’t happen without any bumps on the road. This question is to one or more members who are familiar with Python and like to join us, please let us know, even if you only want to help us in the startup stage, would be very apreciated.
update We are already joined by python coders in this stage.
@Zoidmo and @nate_x
There’s absolutely nothing wrong RebornOS, it began it’s life over here on this forum. The reason why Reborn eventually went solo, was because of the different philosophy Antergos and @Keegan had about a distro for everyone.
Reborn offers an out of the box experience with preinstalled apps, while Antergos offered an easy Arch install with almost vanilla DE’s, ready to customize for the enduser.
Having said that I want to emphasize that the two distro’s didn’t part in a dispute, Keegan kept his loyalty towards Antergos till this day and from here there was no bad word about him and his team.
Sorry for the late reply, I did a more drastic solution and removed the Antergos repo, since it contains a number of out of date packages and like you I want my installed apps (certainly my browser and apps like dropbox and yay) being updated with the upstream releases.
It’s not the most adviceble thing to do, because then you’ll also lose the benefits Antergos has, like the uniform look in all the DE’s among others.
I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but in the current state I think it’s best that the devs would be better of to remove packages like Dropbox and Vivaldi out of the repo and use the repo for the meta packages and things like the nvidia installer or appoint some members to the dev. team (there are three in my mind who perfectly would fit that role) , so the Antergos repo can be maintained by them.
I already made that statement and despite my resolution to keep away from this forum, I care too deeply for this distro, so ignoring it is a hard thing to do for me.
At the moment I’m learning Python coding so who knows and maybe soon I’ll be able to offer my bit of help over here…
2018 is almost nearing its end and I think we all can agree that this year has been a moving one for Antergos. From a great start when Antergos even was in the top 5 of Distrowatch, to a plagueing forum and new installs that didn’t work. Although it can put one to the test when it happens, these hickups reminds us all the challenges we’re willing to go through with a rolling release distro.
I want to thank the @developers for their efforts and hard work in steering and keeping Antergos running, even through rougher waters, and you did have a large portion of that this year.
I also want to show my appreciation to all the forum members for keeping the forum rolling and especially to maintain the friendly vibe, we all love about this place. Also I’d like to mention the effortless input of two moderators on the board, this year: @joekamprad and @manuel you’re truely the steady beacens of this forum, thank you for that.
For those who celebrate Christmas: Have a merry Christmas everyone and to everybody a happy and healthy 2019!
@axioma That’s not entirely true. Reborn has certain apps and tweaks in it’s DE’s that’s maintained by Keegan and other developers.
When you install Deepin within the Antergos ISO, you’ll get the plain Deepin DE without Keegan’s tweaks and like other DE’s Antergos offers, it is roling so Deepin wil stay up to date.
I read comments that people don’t care about the name, but to start a new forum we need a domain name to begin with, otherwise we don’t have a space to work on.
Next Thursday (Ascensionday) is the last day to submit a name, then the voting begins. After that we will bring you a new forum very soon. It could be that it will start as a forum and that the distro isn’t ready yet by then.
Our first goal is to give you the opportunity to move to the new forum, since this one is going to be shutdown.
We are very busy preparing all this and we want to present you guys a good alternative as a distro, instead of a half baked rushed one.
Thank you for the feedback, this is exactly our goal with this project. The Antergos community really has all your wishes. That’s why we are preparing a distro with this great community in mind.
The feedback on this thread is incredible, this gives us more than enough fuel to make this project to a succes, thank you for all the great response and you being open to this project.