• Antergos + Deepin


    Hello everybody,

    I’m a new and very happy Antergos user as I had been looking for an easy to install flavor of the powerful Arch since a long time.

    Since Unity has been killed by Canonical I had to look for a great Desktop too and taking account I don’t like neither KDE or GNOME (Mate, Cinnamon) I have been really happy to discover Deepin Desktop.

    And now I discover the “Reborn OS” project, and I’m not very happy. The concept is perfect: an easy to install Arch for every desktop but… it’s so hard to build a community, to have a sufficient size to catch most of bugs on a lot of hardware and help people.

    Where was the problem in improving Antergos for alternative desktops ?

  • no problem so far…
    We have deepin inside cnchi, so it is installable and working fine.
    Improving it will mostly take part onto deepin development itself and then reaches Antergos.

    [updates once a week] = [90% less problems]
    my#repo
    how to add system logs:
    wget http://bit.ly/2GCG9k2 && sh 2GCG9k2
    :handshake: donate antergos

  • @joekamprad

    If no problem so far… why the Reborn OS fork ?

  • If no problem so far… why the Reborn OS fork ?

    @Keegan is the creator of the fork, so he should be the one explaining this…

    He started helping us with the Deepin setup (among other things). But in the end he wanted more control of all the process involved in creating a distribution.

    He was very kind and warned me about the fork before doing it, and even I do not fully agree with his actions, I totally understand why he did what he did.

    I agree that his work would be more useful if he decided to stay with us… pity.

    Anyway, he’s still in this forum and tries to help others (and does).

    And I still think that someday he will get tired of working alone, will abandon reborn os and will come back to work in his Deepin setup in Antergos again.

    Cheers!

  • @karasu thanks a lot for your answer and your transparency. I think psychology and social relationship are as important as computer sciences skills to build free software.
    I really hope @Keegan will come back home as soon as possible.

  • To give the antithesis also:
    @Keegan this is linux, do what ever YOU want to do! 😎

    [updates once a week] = [90% less problems]
    my#repo
    how to add system logs:
    wget http://bit.ly/2GCG9k2 && sh 2GCG9k2
    :handshake: donate antergos

  • @joekamprad it´s a logical flaw about freedom, it´s not because you can do what you want that all is equal, I´m quite sure you don´t want to encourage @Keegan to kill himself because he is free to do it ?

  • @fgallaire what exactly do you want to tell me?

    i was talking about LINUX, so i was clear on direction… and i feel you take my joke a bit tooooo serious 😉

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis,_antithesis,_synthesis

    [updates once a week] = [90% less problems]
    my#repo
    how to add system logs:
    wget http://bit.ly/2GCG9k2 && sh 2GCG9k2
    :handshake: donate antergos

  • Hi there @fgallaire 🙂 .

    So to explain the whole Reborn OS thing, there were a few reasons (in no particular order):

    • While working with Antergos was great (you, @karasu, are one of the absolute BEST devs I’ve ever known!), I just had a slightly different vision for my project. I wanted to focus more on the little DEs. The ones like Deepin, that so often get overlooked. From spending time working with Antergos’ streamlined approach, I wanted to take one that realized how unique each DE really is. Thus, I wanted to use different GUI package managers for different desktops. Pamac for GTK based ones, Octopi for QT based ones, tkpacman for the really light ones. I also use different login managers for different DEs. Deepin’s login manager is used and all setup by default for Deepin, GDM is used for Gnome and Budgie, SDDM is used for KDE, Openbox’s login manager is used for Openbox, etc.Anyway, you get the gist😄.

    • Also, I wished to offer the ideal desktop for people fresh after an install. In the Cnchi selection screen for Reborn OS, we offer over 20 different options! You can install various games, photo software, video software, kernels, power management tools, browsers (4 or 5 of them I think), and so on. Through this, it is my dream to offer ultimate customability - in an easy way for any new Linux user.

    • And lastly, just the sheer flexibility that comes with making my project mine own. I can develop it in any way I want to, but ultimately it comes down to the users. I like to run every decision by them, because in my mind, they are the future of any project. Reborn OS is truly developed by the users, for the users 🙂 .

    Anyways, those are the main few reasons. I still love Antergos, and am actually using it to write this post! It just blows all other distros out of the water in my opinion - with the possible exception off mine own. (But everybody’s biased when it comes to their own work 😉 ).

    Keep trying, never give up. In the end, you will find that it was all worth it

    My ISO: https://rebornos.wordpress.com

    Friend's Website: http://nwg.pl

  • @keegan said in Antergos + Deepin:

    Thus, I wanted to use different GUI package managers for different desktops. Pamac for GTK based ones, Octopi for QT based ones, tkpacman for the really light ones. I also use different login managers for different DEs. Deepin’s login manager is used and all setup by default for Deepin, GDM is used for Gnome and Budgie, SDDM is used for KDE, Openbox’s login manager is used for Openbox, etc.Anyway, you get the gist😄.

    I agree with you, but why don’t do it inside Antergos ? Maybe with an “Advanced DE integration” checkbox ?

    • Also, I wished to offer the ideal desktop for people fresh after an install. In the Cnchi selection screen for Reborn OS, we offer over 20 different options! You can install various games, photo software, video software, kernels, power management tools, browsers (4 or 5 of them I think), and so on. Through this, it is my dream to offer ultimate customability - in an easy way for any new Linux user.

    Why don’t do it inside Antergos ? Maybe with an “Advanced configuration” checkbox ?

    • And lastly, just the sheer flexibility that comes with making my project mine own. I can develop it in any way I want to, but ultimately it comes down to the users. I like to run every decision by them, because in my mind, they are the future of any project. Reborn OS is truly developed by the users, for the users 🙂 .

    Doing “your project” ? Thinking about a “one person” Linux Distribution is insane in 2018, it’s a dead end in the short run.

  • Antergos is mainly developed by two persons 😎 and Reborn have 3 as far as I know?

    [updates once a week] = [90% less problems]
    my#repo
    how to add system logs:
    wget http://bit.ly/2GCG9k2 && sh 2GCG9k2
    :handshake: donate antergos

  • Why don’t do it inside Antergos ?

    You bring up a good point @fgallaire 🙂 . However, by the time I would finish making all of my little changes, it would no longer be Antergos! As it is, I kind of have to hack into Cnchi jsut to get my changes to stick😄. By default, Cnchi overwrites any changes and reverts whatever one has to the newest version of Cnchi. While this can be handy for Anterofs, it proved troubling for me - so I found a way to make Cnchi stop doing that. Howeever, as a result the Cnchi in Reborn works a little differently than the original that Antergos uses. Also, last I checked with @karasu, he asked me not make such extreme changes to Cnchi - as Cnchi is essentially what makes Antergos Antergos. Once I begin to modify it, I can easily manipulate the whole post-installation environment. I can make it look completely different! As such, it is questionable whether or not it is still Antergos. TO avoid some of that confusion (as well as to respect the Antergos’ devs request) I branched off. I still love Antergos, and have invited them to use whatever code from me they wish to. I’ve actually massaged @karasu with links to all the helpful coding files I use for Reborn in the event they wish to collaborate! Seeingas tehy have not used the scripts I offered, it would seem that they perhaps have a different goal than me. What I may have viewed as an “amazing script” they may have had a different opinion on. So basically, I still do try to collaborate some with the Antergos devs, but whether or not we use what is offered us by the other is completely up to us. It just goes to show you how our goals are slightly different!

    Reborn have 3 as far as I know?

    Close! We have 2 and a half, you could say😄. Palanthis and I are the main Reborn devs, but thanks to the generosity of the Arch user who maintains the aur-archlinux repo, we at Reborn have been able to make great leaps in our development. And then we have advisors, testers, and seeders (for torrents)! So while there are only 2 main devs at the moment, there are more than that working on Reborn in various ways. Basically, I have no idea how to answer that question completely😄.

    Keep trying, never give up. In the end, you will find that it was all worth it

    My ISO: https://rebornos.wordpress.com

    Friend's Website: http://nwg.pl

  • @keegan said in Antergos + Deepin:

    Seeingas tehy have not used the scripts I offered, it would seem that they perhaps have a different goal than me.

    To be honest, I haven’t got the time to review them… 😀

  • Of course! I meant that in no way to be derogatory 🙂 . We all have busy lives, especially you right now @karasu (thinking of those two jobs you’ve taken on recently). If you ever want to collaborate further, just let me know!

    Thanks 🙂 .

    Keep trying, never give up. In the end, you will find that it was all worth it

    My ISO: https://rebornos.wordpress.com

    Friend's Website: http://nwg.pl

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