Blame n praise (it s all the same) {BUT: do not take personal}

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Blame here against Gnome/GTK and KDE/Plasma/QT or anything else!

KDE is slow, hard to customize, and ugly by default?

Gnome 2 users are their target audience - since they don’t want any of Gnome 3 in its current state, the developers have misinterpreted that as “remove everything!”?

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/64jb67/i_see_a_lot_of_criticism_of_gnome_devs_but_never/

So let’s go forward here to make this the longest treat on the forum!

The Gnome devs are well known for not caring about what users want and sometimes slap their users in the face. See here:
Gnome terminal transparency removed, dev says no when asked to bring it back
J.

Hahaha : Just NO made my day If I do this at work hmmm woudn’t really end well

Gnome3rd and current GTK are bad enough to not worth words wasted to blame them.

So now that users think i am a typical KDE user , i try to get away from Gnome/GTK now!
I admit I am an gnomoholic ! since 1999 (oh my goodness! I should be dead by now!!)
But I swear to abdicate

@joekamprad
I had been a Gnome2/MATE user for 10 years. Gave up MATE when it moved to GTK3, so I am a happy Plasma5 user now.
J.

@Jeannie____ how long does it take to get comfortable with look&feel + configuration e.t.c. with plasma/kde/qt ?

I think I have the same question as @joekamprad.

@joekamprad said in Blame on Gnome and GTK! (do not take personal):

…how long does it take to get comfortable with look&feel + configuration e.t.c. with plasma/kde/qt ?

@Keegan said in Blame on Gnome and GTK! (do not take personal):

I think I have the same question as @joekamprad

Depending on skills, it takes from 15 minutes up to 8 hours.

If possible, avoid Plasma. Use a human-oriented KDE.

┌──[just]@[alexdjk]:~$
└─> date +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" && uname -a && kde4-config --version
2017-07-08 14:40:28
Linux alexdjk.net 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
Qt: 4.8.6
KDE Development Platform: 4.14.2
kde4-config: 1.0
┌──[just]@[alexdjk]:~$
└─>

@Jeannie____ Never tried to escape from highly evaluated posts from you. Please, don’t get such an impression.

@joekamprad said in Blame on Gnome and GTK! (do not take personal):

@Jeannie____ how long does it take to get comfortable with look&feel + configuration e.t.c. with plasma/kde/qt ?

As a plasma 5 user for almost a week now (literally my whole linux experience too. I’m that new). The initial setup was a bit tricky for me and I had to search for many things beforehand. I was a bit silly because just going to the system settings and typing “suspend”, for example, will show you which section has suspend user options.

After you change it to how you like it to be. You won’t need any more learning. Just butter smooth As an extremely new linux user. KDE is not as hard as people claim. Settings are just a bit scattered everywhere. So I would say less than 2 days for an average user. Less for experienced users.

Thank @Otakami. That was really helpful. Especially your details about the settings and search features.

For me, it didn’t take very long to get used to Plasma5 and it’s settings, configuring everything the way I wanted it to be took maybe 1-2 hours. The hardest thing about it was finding QT replacements for the GTK applications I used before I switched to Plasma5.
J.

My plan is to avoiding gtk apps and use qt apps only.
As I am real gtk gnome addict I have to jump into cold water.
The way thinks work are very different.

Choose nothing = Gnome
Choose everything = KDE
Choose what you care of = Good design

Gnome = Your Desktop preconfigured, ready to start!
KDE = Desktop empty, put what ever you want where you want, you are on your own!

A bit offtopic, but seeing how people struggles with Gnome and Plasma, I can’t stress enough that i3 has changed my “computer” life.

No need for fancy moving windows anymore.

I find everything fast and quick. No more navigating through endless menus and wasting my time positioning my windows.

I must admit that it’s a steep learning curve, and if you install it you’ll feel totally lost at first. But if you make the effort to learn some keybindings, you’ll find yourself working your 99% of the time, instead of losing time in menial tasks.

Just my two cents.

P.S. Gtk sucks less with each release. With the last one we didn’t have to change a line of Cnchi’s code. That’s new.

so now you’re using i3, @karasu?

@Keegan said in Blame on Gnome and GTK! (do not take personal):

so now you’re using i3, @karasu?

Of course! I saw Aline Abler (I really don’t know who she is) using it (and advocating for it) in youtube and made the change!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Api6dFMlxAA

So what do you think makes puts i3 ahead of other DE’s then?

Hi,

I kind of said it already. They are fastest, they let you work with your apps (without having to move windows arround all the time) and they let you use all your screen (no wasted space).

It’s true your desktop looks uglier because you only see the wallpaper when you have no apps open, but who cares?

Oh, and you need time to get used to it. The first time I installed i3 without any knowledge, the first thought that crossed my mind was “what the f*** is this s***???” and removed it immediately.

It wasn’t until I saw that video that explains a bit how i3 works that I tried again (more than a year ago), and I’ve never looked back since.

Cheers!