The move is cool. I’m actually rather laid back. And the point is that I’m looking for a new place to land and still have not found it.
And if nobody knows or has the time to help, then nobody knows or has the time to help. At that point I bang my head against it until I figure it out, I give up or my wife makes me drop it.
I’ve been building custom stuff for a long time. I was tinkering with memory management in DOS so I could run Ultima 1 on my neighbor’s 5150. The only default installs I have ever done were at work. I know all the stuff y’all are talking about. I’ve gotten that over the years when trying to help people. But, I’m talking about a whole other animal here. Something I’ve never run in to in my 35 years of tinkering. And since you guys are building on arch I want to make sure this is not something that is carried over in to antergos.
So, any way, I have a lot of security concerns about the general state of the linux desktop at the moment.
I’m an old time builder from way back. But my skills are limited in some areas. I couldn’t write a DE from scratch to save my life. I liken it to playing with legos. Give me a set of building blocks and I can come up with some really cool stuff. Kind of like rebuilding a junker in to a hotrod. But I cannot build individual legos or a carburetor from scratch. Sell me a carb and I can tune it for max performance.
And yes, I’m being analogous and vague; intentionally.
My security concerns are being addressed by very skilled people who are way, way beyond my skill level. Things like the move away from x towards wayland. And while things are headed in that direction they are not quite there yet.
My concerns also involve a plethora of other issues, rolling vs frozen, having to rebuild from dead scratch or risk an upgrade explosion when a version stops getting security updates, etc, etc.
So I hunted, read, played, tried, experimented and finally chose to land with arch.
I went to the newbie corner and said hi. Then I spent a couple of weeks howling at the moon and asking no one but the googles for help and finally figured out how to get to a root shell with wifi on my lappy.
After I was up and running a shell I started a thread about where to go next.
Some of the things I’m looking at is building a highly customized version of the gnome DE without any of the media codec crud to not be vulnerable to things like directory traversal in to media handler attacks with firefox being sandboxed in a flatpack to hit the web directly from the hardware only in emergencies when I get ultra-stuck and 99.9% of everyday stuff being confined to compartmentalized VMs (banking, media, websurfing, etc, etc ).
But a lot of that will depend on whether or not the VM input capture issues in wayland have been resolved in 3.24 in general for any VM package provider or even just in boxes; which I still haven’t found an answer to yet.
And if I can’t pull off that general idea with the current state of DE components then I’m thinking of bootstrapping in to a xen install, running a cli dom0 and a bunch of specific purpose domU’s.
This was an ongoing convo. I was just looking for some ideas, feedback, stuff I missed, suggestions, etc before deciding which way to go. There were maybe 20 posts or less total? Being familiar with the deb branch I started asking about how to do things similar to negative pinning or creating dummy metapackages to start breaking deps so I could start building what I want.
And I was flat out told, point blank, straight up, almost word for word by a mod that they will not help me at all, ever, in any way shape or form if I try to do anything the least bit custom with package dep structures and when it breaks my system I had better undo every single bit of custom stuff before I dared to ask anybody for any kind of help on their forums.
So I was like (paraphrasing and shortening but capturing the important stuff) “Wow, did I land in the wrong place? I thought the whole point of being on the edge was to do cool stuff and sometimes we get stuck and when we do get stuck we help each other if we can. I don’t expect a free ride. I’ll give back when and where I can. But, before I spend several hundred hours learning the guts of arch over the next six months I need to know if you guys are going to tell me to go jump in the lake anytime I try some new mod and need a suggestion?”
To which I was told basically (paraphrasing and shortening but capturing the important stuff): We don’t need you around here. We have rules in place about how you can and cannot use our software to protect you from your own stupidity; like nothing but what we determine to be a “full upgrade” will ever be supported in any way shape or form. Not only will we not provided support we won’t even give pointers or suggestions. So, if you’re unwilling or unable to use our software our way then never, ever ask us for help and don’t even bother coming back to the forums again. (Now, to be fair, a lot of that was not typed directly in to a reply but was made very clear by a combination of what was said and actions like moving my thread to an un-indexed limbo that cannot be found anywhere. Go ahead and search for “arch topics going nowhere”. It’s referenced lots of places, but I can’t find it in any index any where.)
So, I’m on the hunt for a place to land again. And before I install anybody’s base this time I’m asking around before I go through the trouble of installing and starting down a new path once again: If I ask how to do something that violates your rules of how to use your software (and no I don’t mean bad stuff like cracking, but good stuff like modding being treated as some kind of “violation”) are you going to tell me to hit the road and never dare show my face around here again until I come to my senses and realize that you know more than me and are just protecting me from my own stupidity and saving your valuable time and ultimate wisdom for those who have enough sense to never stray from the path that you have laid out for them in your all knowing benevolent dictatorship.
Cuz if the answer to that question is yes then move me to the un-indexed limbo forum and I’ll go hunting again.
And no, I’m not trying to pick a fight, start a flame war, step on toes or hurt feelings. This is a genuine concern for me after what just happened over at arch. I’m looking for a new community where I can hang out, learn, grow, help others, get help and figure out how to address my security concerns in such a way as to never have to do a full rebuild from dead scratch again until my lappy is so old it can’t be rebuilt anymore. And if that means that I wanna cross a duck with a monster truck then I don’t want to get kicked out of the club just for daring to ask if that’s even possible.
Edited for clarity, context and typos (hopefully I got all of them)