• What's the point about the wiki?


    Hi

    I’ve been wanting to add some documentation, hardware compatibility and maybe some other stuff, which is currently still missing on the Arch wiki. I wondered though, would it be interesting to add laptop hardware compatibility to the Antergos wiki or directly to the arch wiki, since we all use the arch wiki too.

    The Antergos wiki looks more like a blog or how to database at first sight.

    So can anyone tell me, what is the point of the Antergos wiki and what kind of info should be put on there and when on the Arch wiki?

  • Be carefull to add content to ArchWiki as they want us (Antergos-User) to contribute to Antergos Forum and Wiki.
    I see no problem on adding Arch Linux related stuff to ArchWiki, but as Antergos have also more and more Antergos packages, and doing configuration preinstalled there are differences. (not that this will say you can not have this as a Pure ArchLinux user ;) )
    I start to put Wiki articles to Antergos Wiki, and after some struggeling with the interface it is handy to do.
    On my point of view it needs a better menu and structure enhancement but i would like to see it growing!
    And also ArchWiki is often very complicated and demands a whole lot of basic knowledge, which is shown by the omission of prerequisite knowledge!
    May the day will come, ArchLinux users come to our Wiki to get help ;)

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  • Hi,

    If you want to add/update some info to an already written Arch article, by all means, do so.

    On the other hand, if you want to create a new entry, I’d ask you to do it in the Antergos wiki :grin:

    Cheers!

  • You’ve both made good points.

    Since the information I can provide is the only information that is missing from the Arch Wiki, I’d rather do it there. I don’t have too many antergos-specific stuff installed anyway. The hardware support is provided by software that is maintained by Arch people, as I understand correctly.

    I’m talking for example about the Lenovo laptops that we use at work. They are new models, not mentioned at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#T_series. So I’d be glad to test Antergos on these and provide input on the wiki. If the Antergos wiki had such a page, I’d be glad to contribute it, but rather not start it from scratch in this case. I’m not a good wiki layouter (or in general) anyway.

    I will however contribute new content to the Antergos wiki. I have some ideas already.

  • @EarthMind If your are interested, there is an existing article for hardware support on a Dell E6420 which can be a basis for your’s, also feel free for give any feedback or edit it: https://forum.antergos.com/topic/7195/feedback-request-on-a-laptop-hardware-compatibility-wiki-article

  • @EarthMind said in What's the point about the wiki?:

    So can anyone tell me, what is the point of the Antergos wiki and what kind of info should be put on there and when on the Arch wiki?

    After asking on the Arch forum and IRC. It seem that we can’t put anything in the Arch wiki.

    At least for most active Arch users.

    The main points is:

    • I haven’t installed everything by myself so I can’t reliably tell if my issues aren’t my setup’s fault and would also happen on Arch

    I also fell that’s it’s a bit «Antergos is not Arch, end of story». Unfortunately my request for feedback on my draft article has been put in the forum’s bin and deleted since…
    So I can’t cite the negative feedback that I got.

    Oh, I’ve found the feedback I got on IRC:

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487852037619860nmaZw:matrix.org

    install archlinux or go to #antergos

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487852066620003gHhQS:matrix.org

    if the laptop issues are reproducible on archlinux, feel free to create an article on the wiki. if you haven’t tried it with arch, there’s no point

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487852260620989QOBsv:matrix.org

    I don’t see anything negative, just informing you that different distributions aren’t really catered for

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487852360621588AKHOm:matrix.org

    TBF, it does come off as negative. think of putting in work writing something in the hope of helping a wide audience and then being told to take it elsewhere…
    not that the response is incorrect, but it could potentially come off as negative

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487852456622107oiGaM:matrix.org

    by definition, what’s relevant to arch users is what happens on arch

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487853194626647LfqcD:matrix.org

    don’t take it personally, it’s mostly an automated response these days with how many other non-arch related topics they have to deal with

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487853489628454NFyAF:matrix.org

    they also have their own repositories now and we have no idea on what kinds of things they configure that may be relevant or not to those issues

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487854243633523ddQbY:matrix.org

    How do you know if the issues are not antergos specific? Are you actually aware of all the modifications antergos does to your system?

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#archlinux:matrix.org/$1487855332640831LPzvY:matrix.org

    I don’t care about antegros

    So it’s not all negative and are there are reasons. Maybe it wasn’t very diplomatic but anyway I’m obviously biased here.

    I’m sorry if I ended up polluting the Arch community and caused that Antergos users will be rejected a bit more in the future because of me.

  • @tuxayo said in What's the point about the wiki?:

    I’m sorry if I ended up polluting the Arch community and caused that Antergos users will be rejected a bit more in the future because of me.

    Hahaha:smile:

    You don’t need to worry about that, we already are rejected by default (as you yourself found out). At least you tried and went to the trouble of making an informative, helpful article.

    I believe the Antergos Wiki (not to come across rude here) is basically a knock-off of the Arch Wiki. Thus, the goals of the Antergos Wiki are basically the same as the Arch Wiki, only with a bit more emphasis on being beginner friendly.

    My advice is: Anything you put on the Antergos Wiki will be appreciated, just try to make it easier to understand than the articles on the Arch Wiki. (aka. more noob-friendly).

    Your contributions and effort are thoroughly appreciated:slight_smile:. Thank you for helping the other future users through your article!

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  • @tuxayo said in What's the point about the wiki?:

    @EarthMind If your are interested, there is an existing article for hardware support on a Dell E6420 which can be a basis for your’s, also feel free for give any feedback or edit it: https://forum.antergos.com/topic/7195/feedback-request-on-a-laptop-hardware-compatibility-wiki-article

    It’s great that you started working on that.

    What I’d rather want to achieve is a table-like overview like on the Arch wiki. So I guess I’ll do that sometime later. Now I’d rather start with a beginner tips and tricks page (on my blog) for new Antergos users. Stuff that should be thought about when installing the system as new because they aren’t working out of the box.

    I understand their point about not adding any Antergos related stuff on there, but since the kernels are exactly the same, my additions are still applicable. Maybe it could be not 100% right, but not every same model laptop has exactly the same hardware every time, so I can live with that marge of potential error, even if it will ever be the case.

  • @EarthMind

    What I’d rather want to achieve is a table-like overview like on the Arch wiki.

    I agree, these tables per manufacturer are very nice. Although we need to have more than one article before doing that :-P

  • @EarthMind said in What's the point about the wiki?:

    I understand their point about not adding any Antergos related stuff on there, but since the kernels are exactly the same, my additions are still applicable.

    You’re right, but Arch users won’t allow Antergos related stuff on their wiki, and I totally understand. Imagine a Debian wiki with Ubuntu users modifications… it makes no sense.

    You can create/modify an Antergos wiki page and put there a reference to the Arch wiki page.

    Cheers!

  • @karasu said in What's the point about the wiki?:

    You’re right, but Arch users won’t allow Antergos related stuff on their wiki, and I totally understand. Imagine a Debian wiki with Ubuntu users modifications… it makes no sense.

    The difference between Arch and Antergos is nowhere near the one between Debian an Ubuntu. This shouldn’t be a valid reason.

  • @tuxayo said i

    The difference between Arch and Antergos is nowhere near the one between Debian an Ubuntu. This shouldn’t be a valid reason.

    I agree on this. But still there s a different recipe. You have no idea how the preconfigured Arch system (Antergos) was put together. Unless you re one of its devs, that is. So I can understand their unwillingness to advice on something they have not the slightest clue on how it was set up

    1.Antergos Linux KDE plasma / Gnome 2.Ubuntu 17.10 64bit Unity
    Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8400 2.26GHz‖ RAM 3908 MiB ‖ Dell Inc. 0F328M - Dell Inc. Latitude E6500
    Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics [8086:2a42] {i915

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