• Antergos IRC and telegram bridge


    G’Day. I am not sure if this is the right place to address my issues but i’ll try anyway.
    From time to time I visit the antergos irc chat room, to read what people write there and learn new things. Unfortunately there is this telegram bridge called T8 over there, which allows users to communicate in IRC using the telegram chat app. It’s impossible to ignore individual users from telegram this way. Quite often, trolls and morons are coming there using telegram, swearing, trolling off topic or even insulting users without a possibility for traditional users to block hes eindividuals using the telegram bridge Do you guys have an idea what to do about this, as these people very often make the irc channel unusable.
    Thanks for any ideas.
    J.
    J.

  • @Jeannie____ You could always use telegram yourself and that way you should be able to block the individual telegram users.

  • So I use my trusty old irc client for irc chat rooms that have no telegram bridge and some telegram programme on my desktop for irc chat rooms with a telegram bridge? This sounds riciculously complicated. If I wanted to use telegram, I’d use it. But I use irc and an irc client.
    J.
    Edit: You are aware of the fact that telegram-desktop pulls in some ubuntu unity stuff like libunity and some appindicator stuff? Unity and all related things are nothing i want to have near my computer.

  • Hi,

    I suppose you have already asked to the IRC guys… (I mean #antergos admins). If they can’t give you an alternative/solution, I’m afraid we also won’t be able, too.

    Cheers!

  • Guys, I think you have to decide if you want an antergos irc chat or an antergos telegram group. Mixing these platforms makes no sense at all, as the smatrphonies constantly paste stickers that appear as spam to me. IRC is no smartphone chat compatible platform.

    <T8> <RMPlsXx> (Sticker, 512x220) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/ruvJbFO0/file_1439.webp
    <T8> <MichaelTun> (Sticker, 512x288) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/MJgTJSTt/file_1440.webp
    <T8> <Noxbru> @RMPlsXx, no rust sticker?
    <T8> <MichaelTun> (Sticker, 512x341) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/in2KCqiC/file_1443.webp
    <T8> <Noxbru> (Sticker, 512x505) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/NJm9sZyl/file_1444.webp
    <T8> <MichaelTun> (Sticker, 512x512) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/4OW3tSh0/file_1445.webp
    <T8> <NanoSector> al;
    <T8> <RMPlsXx> (Sticker, 484x512) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/g1q5Z08f/file_1446.webp
    <T8> <NanoSector> (Photo, 766x790) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/Ib3uFQZM/file_1442.jpg halp
    <T8> <RMPlsXx> (Sticker, 512x512) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/GDIIrFEt/file_1447.webp
    <T8> <RMPlsXx> (Sticker, 512x512) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/PKvL4MnT/file_1448.webp
    <T8> <NanoSector> @RMPlsXx, disk speed test, mechanical drive ftw
    <T8> <Kazaii> (Sticker, 512x512) https://teleirc.nanosector.nl/eHx0HBe1/file_1449.webp
    

    My criticism was choked by a removal thread form an Antergos irc mod by the way.

    <NanoSector> ok that is ENOUGH, I will remove the next person to complain
    

    Imho, the “official” Antergos irc chat has turned into a playground for bored smartphone users with that telegram bridge. Some days ago the only topic for hours was “which smartphone is the right one for whatever purpose.” If I wanted to discuss smartphones with smartphone users, I’d get a smartphone and join an appropriate dicussion platform for such topics.

    J.

  • Fully agree. Antergos IRC in its corrent “telegram” form is a nonsence.

  • So what can we do to solve this? Create a non IRC group in telegram?
    I would not want to see #antergos broken in two different places…

  • @just there will be the channel of Antergos in slack?

    Russian fan club of Antergos

  • Telegram needs a sticker and nonsense Terminator.
    May it is about moderation and screwing the robot?

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  • @karasu said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    So what can we do to solve this?..

    Turn the channel back toward Antergos users. Not toward a glamourous crowd of techie T8 spammers with mobile device in hand.

    Right now Antergos IRC works against Antergos, not for Antergos.

    Two solutions are possible.

    1. Detach telegram. The channel can be used from any Antergos DE with default IRC clients only, without a need for additional tools or bridges. Any addon, that goes beyond the default, minimal IRC config toward mobile chat apps, should be removed.

    2. Ignore Antergos IRC channel existence. Use Antergos Forum instead.

    Everything else is a palliative care for #antergos in its current state.

    Regards

  • I have no problem with Telegram per se. In fact I find it quite useful to browse the channel while I’m at work and especially being able to catch up with any overnight conversations. Why don’t we just come to a compromise and make it so stickers are not able to be sent to the telegram group? That’s assuming such a setting is possible.

  • Stickers aside, the channels’s content has nothing to do with Antergos.

    During my last 210 min session only 7 min were dedicated to Linux-related question - how to adjust TIMEOUT parameter in Grub.

    The rest was a hunt from a bunch of T8-ters for @Jeannie____, a discussion of his habits, computers, desktop, software preferences, programming abilities, informing the people about a personal physical state (wants to sleep, to get a cup of coffee, early wake-up, etc.). It looked terrible, like an agression toward a person, a totally missing respect toward differently thinking people.

    Those 203 min were everything else but not Antergos.

  • Surely that’s down to the channel moderation rather than Telegram though?

  • All mods in that awful IRC session were T8-ters.

  • No human moderation possible on telegram? like kick off would be anough.

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  • It’s an irc chat, no telegram group, and telegram bridged users cannot be moderated in irc.
    J.

  • Why not Matrix / Riot instead of Telegram? It can also bridged to IRC (it is already) and a Matrix user can be blocked from IRC.

    There is an Antergos room on the Matrix network.:

    #antergos:matrix.org
    

    Link for possible clients:

    https://matrix.to/#/#antergos:matrix.org

    Join room using the Riot.im web client.

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#antergos:matrix.org

  • Any news on that? The unblockable smartphone telegram users still troll and spam the irc room. I had to block the telegram/irc bridge T8 to get rid of some people over there who troll me massively.
    J.

  • @Jeannie____ said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    Do you guys have an idea what to do about this, as these people very often make the irc channel unusable.

    I disagree that these people are making the channel “unusable”. With that said, to answer your question. No, it is not possible to block individual Telegram users in IRC because there isn’t a true bridge for Telegram. There is only a bot relay type bridge at the moment. If someone were to create such a bridge we would certainly consider using it but at the moment it doesn’t exist.

    None of the options, I can think of, to solve this issue are really good . . .

    1. Disable Telegram Integration entirely (not reasonable in my opinion)
    2. IRC users can block T8 completely (might miss some of the conversation, so not ideal)
    3. Use Telegram instead of IRC (not reasonable for sure)

    I don’t really have a suggestion for this issue at the moment.

    Harassment on the other hand is a totally different thing and if that is happening it will be treated just like IRC would in warnings then removals of the users.

    I think you have to decide if you want an antergos irc chat or an antergos telegram group. Mixing these platforms makes no sense at all, as the smatrphonies constantly paste stickers that appear as spam to me. IRC is no smartphone chat compatible platform.

    I disagree in every facet of that statement. We can have both. You dont want to see stickers or comments from Telegram? Then block the bot that shows them. The bot doesn’t do anything other that the Telegram intergration so you wont lose out on the IRC portions of the channel.

    IRC does support smartphones, there are many clients for it.

    Some days ago the only topic for hours was “which smartphone is the right one for whatever purpose.” If I wanted to discuss smartphones with smartphone users, I’d get a smartphone and join an appropriate dicussion platform for such topics.

    The Antergos IRC channel is not exclusive to Antergos. It is also a community channel for all discussions, provided they do not interfere with Antergos support questions.


    @just

    Antergos IRC in its corrent “telegram” form is a nonsence.

    How is it nonsense exactly? Please clarify.


    @joekamprad said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    Telegram needs a sticker and nonsense Terminator.

    Block the T8 bot on your end and you have terminated the stickers and everything else. Problem solved.


    @just said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    Turn the channel back toward Antergos users.

    Block the bot, problem solved.


    @Swipe said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    In fact I find it quite useful to browse the channel while I’m at work and especially being able to catch up with any overnight conversations. Why don’t we just come to a compromise and make it so stickers are not able to be sent to the telegram group? That’s assuming such a setting is possible.

    I agree with the statement about reading the backlog on a different device. That is very nice.

    Regarding the sticker blocking, that’s not possible via Telegram. Though people who dont like stickers or Telegram in general can block the bot. :)


    @just said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    Stickers aside, the channels’s content has nothing to do with Antergos.
    During my last 210 min session only 7 min were dedicated to Linux-related question - how to adjust TIMEOUT parameter in Grub.

    The Antergos IRC channel is NOT exclusive to Antergos. If there aren’t questions about Antergos then people can talk about whatever they want. We are not interested in forbidding people from discussing other topics.

    @just said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    The rest was a hunt from a bunch of T8-ters for @Jeannie____

    For situations like that, contacting a Mod is the best approach and we will correct the situation. Pinging me in the channel, emailing me, or whatever way someone wants to contact me is fine and I will address it.


    @just said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    All mods in that awful IRC session were T8-ters.

    What? Yes, IRC Mods are also Telegram Mods so we can moderate both sides. What are you implying with your statement? Are you suggesting that the mods were participating in a “hunt”.


    @joekamprad said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    No human moderation possible on telegram? like kick off would be anough.

    Yes. IRC Mods are also Telegram Mods so moderation actions can be taken upon all users when needed including kicking people out of the Telegram group.


    @BuZZ-dEE said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    Why not Matrix / Riot instead of Telegram? It can also bridged to IRC (it is already) and a Matrix user can be blocked from IRC.

    We dont need to do “instead of”, I prefer “in addition to”. :)

    Matrix is pretty awesome though.


    @Jeannie____ said in Antergos IRC and telegram bridge:

    I had to block the telegram/irc bridge T8 to get rid of some people over there who troll me massively.

    This is the only option to block annoyances but in terms of harassment. Give me names and preferably logs, or timestamps, for when this happened and I will address it.

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  • Declaring the Telegram bridge problem as solved by adding another client ( Riot/Matrix) is ridiculous and no soultion at all.
    J.

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