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    Opinion Poll: We want to know what you think about something we've been considering


    @mcx said:

    Leaving free, open source software for proprietary alternatives I can see the end of FOSS and GNU/Linux at the end of this way. Why Slack and not Matrix for example? Slack doesn’t have a desktop app for Linux even. Only for Mac and Windows!

    I use Linux, because of the Free Software / Open Source character and I think software around such community projects should also met such conditions. So in my opinion Slack is not an alternative for IRC, because it don’t met such conditions. I can understand, that you think IRC is outdated, but then please find an free open source alternative to it.

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    @lots.0.logs Well it sounds like a decision has been made before you introduced this apparently pointless poll. Why not just make an announcement on the blog and forum announcements saying it will be introduced along side the forum, irc room, and google + community.

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    Hi all,

    Well it sounds like a decision has been made before you introduced this apparently pointless poll

    I can assure you guys that no decision has been made yet. @lots-0-logs proposed an alternative because IRC seems to resist us.

    If @MichaelTunnell and others want to go on using IRC, please by all means, do it.

    Leaving free, open source software for proprietary alternatives I can see the end of FOSS and GNU/Linux at the end of this way. Why Slack and not Matrix for example? Slack doesn’t have a desktop app for Linux even. Only for Mac and Windows!

    I totally agree.

    @lots-0-logs : We should discuss this. I hadn’t realised slack was proprietary software. Why not use matrix as suggested?

    To all, have you read this?
    “It’s not just communities using the platform, either. WordPress.org, the community behind WordPress’ open-source software, recently abandoned its IRC channel and shifted to Slack, citing that IRC is complicated and unfriendly.”

    I’m not saying we should do the same, but it seems clear that this is not a pointless discussion, is it?

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    @karasu

    citing that IRC is complicated and unfriendly.

    There are two webchat links in this topic that remove this argument, you enter a nickname and click enter.

    http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=antergos
    https://kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net:+6697/#antergos

    proposed an alternative because IRC seems to resist us

    Have any ever asked for help? :(

    Why not use matrix as suggested?

    And you can use IRC, which is already setup with more knowledgeable people in the field. It is less work, it is already managed.

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    @karasu said:

    I can assure you guys that no decision has been made yet. @lots-0-logs proposed an alternative because IRC seems to resist us.

    And how does it resist you? The only issue at IRC is the lack of ops which would be very easy to fix just by having @faidoc visit there once and setting flags.

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    slant.co: What are the best on-site alternatives to Slack?

    I think one of the most powerful feature for IRC (also Jabber and Email) is that you can choose the client you want. That is not possible with Slack. As far as I can see there a lot of such things like HipChat, Gitter, Slack etc, etc… I think it is good to have a standard.

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    @BuZZ-dEE You can actually use any IRC client to connect to Slack if you want :wink:

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    @lots.0.logs said:

    @BuZZ-dEE You can actually use any IRC client to connect to Slack if you want :wink:

    So move from IRC to slack and then say that users are free to choose any IRC client they wish for connecting to slack? With this reason moving anywhere from IRC makes no sense.

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    When a team member becomes active or inactive in Slack, some IRC clients display a message such as @username voice, or @username de-voice.

    To turn off these messages, simply append -novoice to your IRC password, then re-launch your client. These messages should no longer appear.

    https://slack.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connecting-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP

    It looks like it’s not proper IRC as it would just set mode +v or mode -v. That is likely to cause issues with proper IRC clients that follow RFC1459. Judging by that it’s aslso missing IRCv3 support which makes IRC modern so going to slack would be going backwards.

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    @Mikaela said:

    @lots.0.logs said:

    @BuZZ-dEE You can actually use any IRC client to connect to Slack if you want :wink:

    So move from IRC to slack and then say that users are free to choose any IRC client they wish for connecting to slack? With this reason moving anywhere from IRC makes no sense.

    No, I was just pointing out a simple fact based on the concern that was raised. In any case, we’re not going to tell anyone which client to use whether its IRC, Slack, or some other platform.

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    @lots.0.logs said:

    In any case, we’re not going to tell anyone which client to use whether its IRC, Slack, or some other platform.

    It seems like you are doing that as Slack only has one proper client and it’s Slack itself. If their IRC bridge isn’t standards compliant, I am very surprised if the other bridges are.

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    @Mikaela Sorry, That’s your opinion and while I don’t agree with it I can respect it. ;-)

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    @Wyn
    Providing those links is nice and easy. I like it. I feel like discovery is probably the biggest issue and maybe complexity for new users. Posting those two links as a sticky in the forum might even help and also posting those or something similar on the “getting help in IRC” page from the antergos main website. That page has info, but just providing a one click option is easy. When people are frustrated looking for help, sometime there patience to “figure” other stuff out is not there. I also like how mint provides a one click join chat in their distro. People with experience and want to help would probably have there defacto go to irc client already fired up.

    Someone could also argue though, that if they cant join IRC then maybe troubleshooting their issue could be too complicated to start with.

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    I think the link to kiwiirc is a good idea whether you get slack going or not. As @SirWeazel said, if people looking for help (and the forums seem pretty busy now-a-days) had a one click option to instantly join a room and begin asking their question it would be extremely helpful.

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    Instead of Slack, check out GitLab’s Mattermost. http://www.mattermost.org/

    I am still advocating for IRC but if this kind of thing is going to happen either way I would prefer something better than Slack and Open Source . . . Mattermost is both of those. :)

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    How do I get to Slack? IT seems to have no guides anywhere and j.mp/1MVlWpP is broken.

    Also how do I get the gateway password? https://slack.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connecting-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP

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    I’ve got no notice from @lots.0.logs that this is already working. Am I wrong?

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    @karasu said:

    I’ve got no notice from @lots.0.logs that this is already working. Am I wrong?

    No, you are not wrong. Its not set up yet. I wanted to test some alternatives before moving forward. There will be an announcement when its ready.

    Cheers!

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    What is this page then which is the first result from Antergos slack? https://antergos.com/join-antergos-on-slack/

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    There is an Antergos room on the Matrix network.:

    #antergos:matrix.org
    

    Link for possible clients:

    https://matrix.to/#/#antergos:matrix.org

    Join room using the Riot.im web client.

    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#antergos:matrix.org

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