• Antergos on Distrowatch. Popularity and fame. Discussion.


    Hello there.

    Distrowatch counts unique entries of given user on the distribution subpage. So I figure it out, that I will add Antergos (and also Arch) pages to my daily bookmarks folder, so actually I’m visiting those pages every day. This made me wonder…

    I don’t know is this moral or not. For me is ok, but this is not the case. I’m just very curious about (positive) effects and overall influence of “fame” on Distrowatch. I know, that most of Antergos user don’t think about rankings on Distrowatch, but I believe, that more user eqauls greater feedback and more support for the DevTeam. And higher place in DistroWatch rankings equals more ISO downloads and probably more users.

    I’ve started a discussion yesterday on IRC channel (not the Antergos official one, not even tech-one), to ask people what this can bring and how it can affect current community. Responses were varied and most of the time radical. Most popular vision was a case, where
    * “current soul of community will be destroyed” because more users mean, that…
    * …Devs will be most likely much further from community, so it will force community (on the forum), to create a layer connecting Devs with users (that’s sounds funny for me; personally I love the way it works now)
    * there will be few new and active in positive way people, that will share, help and participate
    * there will be lots of new and active in negative way people, that will ask silly questions (not a problem imho), demand and demotivate

    And what do You think? Is it good, to have recognizable name?

    // Couldn’t find any better place to share this thoughts.

  • Hello there.

    Distrowatch counts unique entries of given user on the distribution subpage. So I figure it out, that I will add Antergos (and also Arch) pages to my daily bookmarks folder, so actually I’m visiting those pages every day. This made me wonder…

    I don’t know is this moral or not. For me is ok, but this is not the case. I’m just very curious about (positive) effects and overall influence of “fame” on Distrowatch. I know, that most of Antergos user don’t think about rankings on Distrowatch, but I believe, that more user eqauls greater feedback and more support for the DevTeam. And higher place in DistroWatch rankings equals more ISO downloads and probably more users.

    I’ve started a discussion yesterday on IRC channel (not the Antergos official one, not even tech-one), to ask people what this can bring and how it can affect current community. Responses were varied and most of the time radical. Most popular vision was a case, where
    * “current soul of community will be destroyed” because more users mean, that…
    * …Devs will be most likely much further from community, so it will force community (on the forum), to create a layer connecting Devs with users (that’s sounds funny for me; personally I love the way it works now)
    * there will be few new and active in positive way people, that will share, help and participate
    * there will be lots of new and active in negative way people, that will ask silly questions (not a problem imho), demand and demotivate

    And what do You think? Is it good, to have recognizable name?

    // Couldn’t find any better place to share this thoughts.

  • Me personally I have heard the argument that distrowatch rankings mean nothing but when you think about it they kind of mean everything to the spread of that distro.
    While this may not be a popularity contest as many insist to someone unfamiliar with linux distrowatch is very critical, usually the distros with the most popularity have the most users, its all about the attraction factor.

  • @“MadmanRB”:1k4gfidq said:

    Me personally I have heard the argument that distrowatch rankings mean nothing but when you think about it they kind of mean everything to the spread of that distro.[/quote:1k4gfidq]
    Agreed.

    At the current standings, Linux Mint is atop the stack, with Ubuntu directly behind. Now I will fully admit I used Mint, sometimes off but mostly on, for quite a few years. Until I found Antergos, I was running Mint, simply because it was a solid and reliable distribution, But that certainly doesn’t fool me into thinking Mint is, in any way, shape, or form, more popular than Ubuntu.

    But, if we take that line of thought just one more step, if Linux newbies are looking at DistroWatch, trying to see what is and is not popular, then Mint is likely getting a lot of notice. When I see Mageia ranked fourth, I chuckle and move on, but someone who doesn’t understand how DistroWatch works is probably going to at least give it a look.

    That being said, I dutifully clicked on the Antergos link, whilst I was there.

    I’ve been trying to interest more people in Antergos through social media links and by blogging about it. That way, people can not only see I enjoy using Antergos, but they can also see why I enjoy using it. It seems most people are using one form of social media or another, these days, so maybe adding an Antergos link to your stream every now and and again will be helpful?

    As I slip about the InterTubez, I notice people seem to place a lot of weight on how busy a Linux distribution’s support forums actually are. And in the case of Antergos, it seems the Google+ community is more popular than the support forums, which leads people to think Antergos is barely treading water. The forums are now at 1401 members, and the last time I looked, I think the G+ community was at 800 members. It seems to me that both resources are growing at a pretty decent pace, but maybe people are used to distributions like Arch or Ubuntu, where there are tens of thousands of members. Which makes me think that we might encourage more new members by simply adding a post to the forums each day.

  • As I slip about the InterTubez, I notice people seem to place a lot of weight on how busy a Linux distribution’s support forums actually are. And in the case of Antergos, it seems the Google+ community is more popular than the support forums, which leads people to think Antergos is barely treading water. The forums are now at 1401 members, and the last time I looked, I think the G+ community was at 800 members. It seems to me that both resources are growing at a pretty decent pace, but maybe people are used to distributions like Arch or Ubuntu, where there are tens of thousands of members. Which makes me think that we might encourage more new members by simply adding a post to the forums each day.

    I can see thing in that but where do you live ? Here in my country G+ is far from beeing popular so no one will think to look at it for help. And when you come here to seek help and you see the forum is barely used for support you don’t download, but in the contrary ppl where G+ is popular will find support there and download antergos.

    A forum must be the prime support tool and in second IRC not any social media, because it is fully independent of what is popular in some country and first independant of th esocial media (the day said social media close we lost anything that have been said on it).

    I think it would be good for Antergos to move support from all social media to the forum and state no help would be given there (at least by its team) and social media used as news feeds.

    An other thing that might help is to dich every other language than english off the forum. Today I see a support post where the poster wrote in spannish after he see his helper was spanish, specific language support might be donne on X specific community fporum function of it community. Also that would bring ppl that doesn’t speak english if there is a community in there language, the “official” forum in an other hand need to stay international.

    All those thing would say we are happy to welcome you whathever place you come from.

    Long Live Antergos
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  • Google translate is a good thing.

    Derp

  • This is a really interesting discussion. I understand that this is an older thread but it has lead me to think about advertising Antergos on my own personal photo blog. Putting even something in my blog’s ‘About Me’ has made me think that I could probably place something there regarding the fact I use Linux, more specifically Antergos as one of my distros. Maybe when people read that little blurb they might look more into Antergos. Hopefully, at least.

    Download " antergos-wallpapers-extra " and enjoy community sponsored wallpapers.

    Use the "Linux Beginner Search Engine"

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  • the distro rankings dont mean too much to me but i know the higher the ranking the more likely a new user would try it out.

    i see on the opening page antergos is ranked at 60. thats a shame because ive distro hopped a lot over the years and the antergos experience is great!

    ubuntu and linux mint are both good too.

    wish they could come up with a better ranking system.

  • Distrowatch does not simply use pagehits to decide the rank they use many factors including pagehits, useragents, and more. The main dev I asked wouldn’t give me further information because honestly i have NO IDEA how they detect Mint so well. For example, Linux Mint’s useragent claims that is Ubuntu and not Linux Mint yet DW still detects Mint somehow.

    With that said, I don’t think Antergos should be very high on the DistroWatch list. Top 10 would be nice but it should never reach the top purely for a usability factor. I dont think “new to Linux users” should ever try Antergos as their first distro. I think that would be a disaster for anyone to use something based on Arch from the start.

    There isn’t an ethics thing though with DistroWatch, they dont allow voting and reviews so the only way to participate is to bookmark the page and go to it every now and then. If they had a site that wasn’t so awful this wouldn’t be an issue. :)

    I think Antergos can do a LOT more though in marketing. I joined a FOSS Project a few years ago and before I joined they received 1,000 downloads in 5 Years. Now the same project receives over 1,000 downloads Every Week. Antergos team just needs me or someone to help with their marketing because at this point they seem to be throwing away every opportunity they get.

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  • I completely agree with you MichaelTunnell. I noticed that Antergos does not have the latest .ISO availability listed on the DIstrowatch site. The newest one is for this year (2015). Distrowatch still has the one from last year. That and along with the newer DE missing which are currently available on the newest release. Would’nt it be prudent to at least have Distrowatch make an announcement that Antergos has a newer availability along with newer DEs? I would believe that marketing Antergos with newer update availability would at least help it a bit. This is a great opportunity that is available.

    Download " antergos-wallpapers-extra " and enjoy community sponsored wallpapers.

    Use the "Linux Beginner Search Engine"

    https://cse.google.com/cse/home?cx=017607476515012185699:b_owgx6xyi0

  • antergos just needs more social media presence overall. the last news update on the antergos blog is from may 2014? just seems odd to put work in to a distro and not want to help it grow with new users? there must be someone on the antergos team or someone they can hire on that can market it better.

    just a thought ;)

  • If it were up to me Antergos would have fantastic marketing, actually marketing is part of my normal 9-5 but it isn’t up to me. There are many many things that could be done to increase the awareness of Antergos. In fact, I’m a producer for two linux podcasts so there are plenty of opportunities. :)

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    Business: http://visuex.com

  • maybe increasing users isnt what antergos is interested in? idk maybe just a fun project to work on and thats it? can’t say ive really seen anything like this from a distro before. not much of a presence on the web or on the message board from i can tell.

    is the project leader still involved? im so used to hearing updated info via blogs or social media accounts from other distros it kinda has be wondering whats going on at times.

  • @“megaman”:33wkhk6h said:

    is the project leader still involved?[/quote:33wkhk6h]
    Yes, all of them are still involved. The 4 devs that I know of that are on the forum are listed here, [http://forum.antergos.com/memberlist.php?mode=team][0]">memberlist.php?mode=team, and they are all very active.

    @“megaman”:33wkhk6h said:

    im so used to hearing updated info via blogs or social media accounts from other distros it kinda has be wondering whats going on at times.[/quote:33wkhk6h]
    I agree they are not very good at keeping everyone up to date and they are not very good at spreading the word of Antergos but they are very attentive with support and that is quite awesome.

    I think the majority of them are probably just thinking,

    On the other hand, maybe they are just waiting for the new site to launch or something. I don’t know.

    I would happily,

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  • i doesnt look like the admin has posted since april 2014.

    agreed the support has been good on here. ive been helped several times by team members.

    i would also help in anyway i could.

    maybe some team members can shine some light on what is going on. ;) ;)

  • well you can find faidoc on the G+ too.

    The biggest problem with Antergos is the unorganized mess that is the information and support.

    Support: G+, this Forum, IRC (I handle this), some people also might use Twitter and other places because there isnt a site classified as “the place” to get support.

    Site: Antergos.com, Antergos.org, Antergos.info and that doesn’t take into account the subdomains that are also scattered. The bugs.antergos.com site doesn’t even work so it is really confusing if you want to submit bugs.

    The sites that don’t work shouldn’t be up, they should take them all down and put up landing pages explaining where to go or that it will be back soon. Broken links, broken websites, etc are much worse than just finding a message that something is down.

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  • @“MichaelTunnell”:1l71yu49 said:

    … In fact, I’m a producer for two linux podcasts so there are plenty of opportunities. :)[/quote:1l71yu49]

    That’s fantastic!!
    Would you mind me asking if I could have the link to your Linux podcasts. I have been a fan of Linux (most especially Antergos) ever since I made the full time switch over to Linux from Windows a couple of years ago.

    Download " antergos-wallpapers-extra " and enjoy community sponsored wallpapers.

    Use the "Linux Beginner Search Engine"

    https://cse.google.com/cse/home?cx=017607476515012185699:b_owgx6xyi0

  • the support should really be handled by the forum 1st. G+, IRC, Twitter is fine but not everyone does that.

    i didnt even know about all those other domains. kinda odd to waste money on those.

  • @“Modisc”:25g4mgoj said:

    That’s fantastic!!
    Would you mind me asking if I could have the link to your Linux podcasts.[/quote:25g4mgoj]
    Absolutely don’t mind, hopefully the mods here don’t either. :)

    Linux Action Show: [http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linuxactionshow/][0]">[http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show][1] … ctionshow/
    Linux Unplugged: [http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linuxun/][0]">[http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linuxun/][2]

    @“megaman”:25g4mgoj said:

    the support should really be handled by the forum 1st. G+, IRC, Twitter is fine but not everyone does that.

    i didnt even know about all those other domains. kinda odd to waste money on those.[/quote:25g4mgoj]
    I agree there should be a single support spot and forums are probably the best.

    the .info domain has a purpose, it is the repo domain, when you download a package it comes from that domain. There are reasons but when you go to those domains without the repo info, they should just redirect to the main website but they don’t.

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    [1]: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show
    [2]: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linuxun/

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  • I don’t have much time at the moment, but there are a few concerns raised and observations made on this topic that I feel must be acknowledged and addressed officially.

    It won’t surprise you when I say that we are not doing much of anything in regards to marketing the Antergos brand right now. What may surprise you (though it shouldn’t) is that it is not an accident nor is it an indicator of a lack of commitment, poor judgement, or inexperience on our part. We’ve chosen to hold back on marketing until we have the infrastructure in place to support the new users that marketing will attract. We have been working on our infrastructure for a few months now and I think we are very close to being “ready for launch”. Though I’m not going to pull the trigger until I am satisfied with the result. IMO, a delay is always preferable to launching something that is half-baked and incomplete.

    @“MichaelTunnell”:1j7mlrxp said:

    Site: Antergos.com, Antergos.org, Antergos.info and that doesn’t take into account the subdomains that are also scattered.[/quote:1j7mlrxp]
    The official domain is antergos.com. The build server is on build.antergos.org because it was easier at the time. We’ll likely add a CNAME so that it can be accessed on the .com domain when the new website launches. antergos.info is simply a repo mirror. We don’t publish any links to it or any other subdomain websites. Yes, a few exist for various purposes but they aren’t intended for public use. People seem to be good at finding them, not much we can do about that.

    [b:1j7mlrxp]NOTE:[/b:1j7mlrxp] The following paragraph is not intended to be negative in any way and is not targeted at anyone or anything that was said in this thread.

    It’s very important to remember that developers of FOSS are typically not paid for their efforts. We (FOSS users) tend to perceive FOSS projects as companies or businesses who offer a product that we like (we do this subconsciously), and in many ways they are. But unlike companies/businesses FOSS projects don’t generate revenue. They rely on donations from the community. This is a fact that we are all very aware of but I think it’s also one that many of us push to the back of our minds too quickly and easily (myself included). I realize that I’ve only touched on a few small points of what is a very complex issue. My hope is that you might take pause the next time you install a FOSS app, extension, etc before dismissing the donate popup/page/whatever.

    Well, I must get back to work now. I’ll check in on this thread tonight. Cheers!!

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